Planet Irish Gaming » Forums http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet Everything Irish Gaming! Tue, 22 May 2012 20:29:58 +0000 en hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: Assassinations and Hostages – An annoying thought exercise http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5881#p5881 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5881#p5881#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 19:59:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=8b6b2f86248622c2ffad5a30ab6f3224 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comI completely see your points, and the thing I tried to do with this system was keep it simple. (Though admittedly 2 posts to explain it looks bad!).

The biggest safety I tried to put in place for it to keep simple is the isolated ruleset. With this rule it means only the hostage/target andvthe hostage taker/assassin need to worry about these rules, they in no way affect anyone else. Another benefit is that it explicitly cant be used in combat, so there is no need to remember new rules in the heat of the battle, it will most likely be just two people alone, and at worst the target (who we assume wasnt vexpecting this) can Ooc whisper for a quick reminder of the rule.

Additionally there aren't many ways the situation can go, there are only 3 calls and the nature of the calls (knife, blunt or gun) are reasonably self explanatory.

In regards to not wanting the game to become too pvp I understand but disagree, I think the option to go pvo allows the game more freedom, I think this is where the honour system should come in, players should not be using the rule for the ooc fun of racking up kills, they should use it in genuine situations where their character would do so. Take the preacher as a character (hope that's ok with r4ph, I'm just using him because he is dead) he wouldn't use the rule ever, at the biggest push maybe he would take a bandit hostage to free some children. So the honour is in being true to your character.

In regatds to power levels again you have to rely (realistically) on the fact that for good people to survive they need to depend on each other and fight those who aren't together.

Ps sorry for any typos, on my tablet.

Edit: again just to add this is again just theoretical ramblings and debate, I am not proposing nick implement this.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99824/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: Assassinations and Hostages – An annoying thought exercise http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5880#p5880 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5880#p5880#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 18:58:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=ace2f4cda4cb4b78acbd708cbaff7060 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comI agree in principle, but against that we should avoid making the rules overly complex.

One option is the airsoft approach: you must obey reasonable instructions if captured. In airsoft this is an honour system - it's often much worse to be captured than killed. This solution won't provide a way to assassinate, but it will help with PCs ignoring the threat of being killed. And it's simple.

Alternatively, we can hope that the games doesn't turn too PvP*, and have an ASSASSINATE call reserved for NPC use only. That would mean that we don't have to learn lots of new rules, and Nick could inform the person playing the NPC what limits or restrictions he wants to apply. All we'd need to know is that if someone hits with that call the victim goes straight to DYING. (I'd guess that normal EXECUTE rules would then apply.)

*Although the potential for in-fighting is important, and I have worried before that the massive power gap between PCs could eventually become a problem.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99822/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » The Adventuring Party: +2 Mailbag, May 2012: Much Munchie Munchkinism http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=945&p=5879#p5879 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=945&p=5879#p5879#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 16:44:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=ac462053245c8c36ed5c14714feab8d5 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comMaybe we should start making fake emails ourselves, to balance out all the fake emails that real people send in.

humbug.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99816/feed 0 DCU Games Soc Forums » Re: Company of Heroes 2 announced \o/ http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3199.msg36452#msg36452 http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3199.msg36452#msg36452#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 16:36:28 +0000 Games Soc Forums http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3199.msg36452#msg36452 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from DCU Games Soc Forums There's a nice article praising the sequel's prettiness and difficulty here:
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/22/entering-the-rzhev-meat-grinder-in-company-of-heroes-2/

Quote from: Joystiq
Using a new system Relic calls TrueSight, players not only hav...
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]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99819/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: Assassinations and Hostages – An annoying thought exercise http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5878#p5878 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5878#p5878#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 15:22:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=70ec386420ccb7f4b6f799ec03081669 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comSounds great to me.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99817/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » The Adventuring Party: Re: Arkham Gaming Centre http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=943&p=5877#p5877 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=943&p=5877#p5877#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=9684fd65cf15094e809f85c6fddc867c This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comBummer. Always liked their stands at cons. Good range of boardgames, miniatures and accessories. Guys were real friendly too. Demos at Qcon were unbelievable.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99818/feed 0 DCU Games Soc Forums » Re: Company of Heroes 2 announced \o/ http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3199.msg36451#msg36451 http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3199.msg36451#msg36451#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 13:40:47 +0000 Games Soc Forums http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3199.msg36451#msg36451 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from DCU Games Soc Forums
Quote from: Mush on May 04, 2012, 11:43:29 pm
I'll dig up the old copies we have and see if we can get a few games going at the LAN.
That would be great, I haven't played in a long time but I am going to patch it, it w... ]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99806/feed 0 DCU Games Soc Forums » Re: Diablo III http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3195.msg36449#msg36449 http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3195.msg36449#msg36449#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 12:00:21 +0000 Games Soc Forums http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3195.msg36449#msg36449 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from DCU Games Soc Forums All right with my written exams finished i'm finally digging into Diablo 3. It's amazing but that's not why i'm posting.

I've got 2 guest passes if anybody wants to try out the game. The guest passes are basically demos because you can only play up to ... ]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99807/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: Assassinations and Hostages – An annoying thought exercise http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5875#p5875 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5875#p5875#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 11:40:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=9069fd7b309105da6aa1615aca183ce3 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comSome sample scenarios are presented below:

(S1) John walks up behind Dr Bob who is treating John’s mortal enemy; john puts his weapon against the Docs neck and tells him to stop his work (wanting his enemy to die). Now they have entered hostage situation.

---- a) Doc turns and tries to resist and John (with his cudgel) calls out “Blunt Strike”, the Doc collapses (unconscious for 300 seconds). Johnny now knows that the Doc won’t be able to help his enemy so he slips out quietly and walks slowly and calmly out of town and into the wilds.

---- b)Doc decides that he doesn’t want to die so he does as he is told, however when Johnny goes to leave afterwards (takes a step more than a foot from the Dr) the hostage situation ends and they could both enter combat as normal.

---- c)John decides that it’s best to make his escape so he orders the Doc to walk in front of him (no more than touching distance) and slowly tries to walk out of the village without attracting attention. Too late! He is spotted and a guard tells him to drop his gun, John hides behind the Doc and starts backing towards the exit. The guard (thinking himself a crack shot) aims at Johns hand and fires, unfortunately he hits the Doc. This does ONLY a single point of damage, the guard is NOT involved in the hostage situation and so he can not kill the Doc in one hit, the Doc (thanks to his endurance) is now down to only 1 HP and the guard now has a healthy respect for the danger of shooting around hostages. John backs out of the village and turns and runs.


(S2) Dave is running towards a bandit with his knife and the bandit is desperately trying to get a shot off at him, Dave dodges brilliantly and gets his knife against the bandit’s neck. This is a SINGLE attack and does NOT count as a hostage situation as the two were already engaged in combat.


(S3) Deciding that he should be in charge Frank sneaks into the Mayors room at night, he presses his knife against the Mayors neck and whispers “Knife Kill”, the Mayor, QUEITLY starts his dying count. Frank – knowing it’s all or nothing- waits anxiously in his room for the count to finish so he can be assured the Mayor is dead. Once the count finishes (and the Mayor is dead) Frank slips from the room unseen and beds down for the night, waiting for the Mayors body to be found.


(S4) Deciding that he should be in charge Frank sneaks into the Mayors room at night, he presses his PISTOL against the Mayors neck and whispers “Gun Kill”, the Mayor, SCREAMS the word “DYING” and then quietly starts his dying count. Frank – knowing it’s all or nothing- waits anxiously in his room for the count to finish so he can be assured the Mayor is dead. However roused by the sound of gunfire the militia break into the room and apprehend Frank, and send for a Doctor to see to the Mayor.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99808/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Assassinations and Hostages – An annoying thought exercise http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5874#p5874 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=944&p=5874#p5874#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 11:39:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=2731880076b9e27f09c886f15d19e976 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comDISCLAIMER (the first): This is really long and boring.

DISCLAIMER (2): I have only played one game, so this is not a suggestion for a rules change, the game is fantastic and in Nick we trust. Its genuinely only a random thought that I had when it was asked in the weekender thread if people would be defenceless while sleeping. So this is only a thought exercise (by which I mean somewhere for me to waffle) especially as I can’t see my character needing to avail of this!

The current rules make allowances for striking and executing prisoners who are defenceless (i.e. wounded or bound), however there is also the case where if someone had a gun to your head, whether you are wounded or not that you would be well and truly fecked. So this concerns the idea of a hostage target.

In “real” life you would expect a character with a gun to their head to become a VERY compliant prisoner, however in the game system if you have high endurance and armour you start calculating the fact that all you have to do is lose one hit/armour point in turning around and then it’s a fair fight (not worrying about the real world problem of your blown out brains).

This also promotes the importance of trust, sure it’s one thing to let a character who just arrived to town have a gun during the defence of the town, but maybe you don’t trust him to have it all the time, and in contrast turning your back on a character completely would be a sure sign of trust and friendship.

So what if there was a single “weak” spot that a character could target to enter a hostage situation? I propose (theoretically only) the back of the neck, and if the character manages to (outside regular combat) put a weapon to this point then a new set of rules take over (ONLY for the two involved in the situation.
The benefit of this situation would be that the aggressor in this situation is able to perform a “Kill strike” which brings the character IMMEDIATELY to dying. This means that it is able to be used to assassinate, but equally as important this knowledge means it is also realistically capable of producing a hostage who genuinely has to obey the aggressor. In order not to overbalance gameplay however it should be noted that a character who is brought to dying in this way can NOT be executed, the aggressor must wait out the 300 second count, making this a dangerous endeavour.

The weapon used would also make a difference:
“Sharp Kill” – The hostage drops to the ground silently and begins a dying count. (Benefit silent kill)
“Blunt Strike” – The hostage is silently knocked unconscious for 300 seconds. (Benefit silent non lethal)
“Gun Kill” – The hostage drops to the ground and yells out “Dying” once to account for a sudden gunshot ringing out and begins a silent dying count. (Benefit: better for using hostage as a shield if you have a ranged weapon)


Some sample scenarios are presented below: (Because a single post was too big)]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99809/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: Random Rumors http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=512&p=5873#p5873 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=512&p=5873#p5873#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 08:20:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=daec865308d2b5feca2b00b1c91637b8 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comSamson has been spending a lot of time out with those monks. Taken to wearing some green thing with metal bits round his neck.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99805/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: Weekender Questions http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=930&p=5876#p5876 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=930&p=5876#p5876#comments Tue, 22 May 2012 00:00:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=432a904535242441a9bc5970d6978c11 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.com
CathalFm wrote:So, just checking, but if the deadline for the 55e early bird price for the July event is the 1st of June then are you guys going to be collecting money for it at this Fridays game?


Yes, we'll be selling tickets at this Friday's game, and at a couple more places to be announced.
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]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99810/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: Weekender Questions http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=930&p=5872#p5872 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=930&p=5872#p5872#comments Mon, 21 May 2012 09:22:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=c67f3135798fc2ea6946644cb8afb297 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comSo, just checking, but if the deadline for the 55e early bird price for the July event is the 1st of June then are you guys going to be collecting money for it at this Fridays game?]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99787/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: bus for next event http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=942&p=5871#p5871 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=942&p=5871#p5871#comments Sun, 20 May 2012 18:44:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=975850206fdff8a5c6d36b7b00396e49 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comPut me down for the bus please.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99779/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: bus for next event http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=942&p=5870#p5870 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=942&p=5870#p5870#comments Sun, 20 May 2012 18:38:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=6b1bbd4ad84e7f405abf168a9b8e9359 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.com2 seats for me and Si please]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99780/feed 0 DCU Games Soc Forums » Re: Octodad. http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3120.msg36445#msg36445 http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3120.msg36445#msg36445#comments Sat, 19 May 2012 14:34:09 +0000 Games Soc Forums http://games.dcu.ie/forums/index.php?topic=3120.msg36445#msg36445 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from DCU Games Soc Forumsit is a short enough game. Everyone should give it a try. Really fun.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99772/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: bus for next event http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=942&p=5869#p5869 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=942&p=5869#p5869#comments Sat, 19 May 2012 13:21:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=fb7e317688676119aa7257e7fc0c3654 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comHi guys,

Thanks for getting back to me - that's 4 people so far. Will anyone else be getting the bus?

Realistically, we need 9 people on the bus to break even.

Dee]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99771/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: Random Rumors http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=512&p=5867#p5867 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=512&p=5867#p5867#comments Fri, 18 May 2012 22:46:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=d17cd8a1200993c4d9101865aaf3a162 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comSir Alexander doesn't spend much time in the settlement, often leaving in the early morning and returning at night, and sometimes not returning until the next day.

The Protectorate has scouts hidden in the vicinity, watching for trouble... and observing the newly arrived settlers from Midway.

The people of the Protectorate try to avoid unnecessary or accidental contact with outsiders. Maybe it's how their ancestors survived the Fall, maybe they're just being cautious, or maybe they're a bunch of primitive xenophobic forest-dwellers.

The Protectorate refers to the ruined buildings now inhabitated by the Midwayers as "the courtyards on the western border" or "patrol point 18, western district".]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99764/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » Midway: Re: bus for next event http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=942&p=5866#p5866 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=942&p=5866#p5866#comments Fri, 18 May 2012 21:19:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=1b22a09240e07f3244b075aff9c15d10 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.com2 Seats please, for Gavin & a new player.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99763/feed 0 Forums at irishgaming.com » The Adventuring Party: Re: Arkham Gaming Centre http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=943&p=5865#p5865 http://irishgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=943&p=5865#p5865#comments Fri, 18 May 2012 14:56:00 +0000 PHPBB scraper (latest posts) feed http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/?guid=9b51794e7feec7a61e5070a406a6daa4 This was originally published here. Please visit the site if you like this post or wish to comment on it. Pulled from Forums at irishgaming.comWell damn.]]> http://irishgamingwiki.com/planet/archives/99758/feed 0